Let them in

Two things.

Firstly, read this, by Brendan O’Neill on Spiked:

We shouldn’t pity these migrants; we should admire them, for using guile, gumption and perseverance to come here. They’re precisely the kind of people sluggish Europe needs more of, an antidote to our students who can’t even clap without having a mental breakdown and our new generation who think that being told to ‘get on your bike’ to look for a job is tantamount to abuse. Let’s relax the borders and let them in to try their luck in our countries and see how they fare.

Full article here.

Secondly, we had to laugh at Ed Milliband’s demand that immigrants to the UK should speak English before they arrive.

Imagine if British immigrants were required to follow similar language rules. How many of the millions of British immigrants across the world – from Spain to Thailand – can speak the local language?

A tiny proportion, we would guess.

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48 thoughts on “Let them in

  1. I usually agree with O’Neill but he is a Trotskyite who believes in no immigration restrictions. I am as libertarian as he and see, as did the very liberal John Stuart Mill, that mass immigration is the foe of freedom. We (meaning the EU) must stop people drowning by refusing to accept any asylum seekers. http://pvewood.blogspot.ro/2015/04/katie-hopkins-tells-truth-in-nastiest.html This is most important thing I think I’ve ever written.

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      1. John Stuart Mill would vote UKIP I imaigine. He said in his Essay on Representative Government:
        Free institutions are next to impossible in a country made up of different nationalities. Among a people without fellow-feeling, especially if they read and speak different languages, the united public opinion, necessary to the working of representative government, cannot exist. The influences which form opinions and decide political acts are different in the different sections of the country. An altogether different set of leaders have the confidence of one part of the country and of another. The same books, newspapers, pamphlets, speeches, do not reach them. One section does not know what opinions, or what instigations, are circulating in another. The same incidents, the same acts, the same system of government, affect them in different ways; and each fears more injury to itself from the other nationalities than from the common arbiter, the state.

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      2. Those words are very true but also very obvious. Another liberal Alain Finkielkraut said, speaking of African immigrants in France:
        “But I think that the lofty idea of `the war on racism’ is gradually turning into a hideously false ideology. And this anti-racism will be for the 21st century what communism was for the 20th century. A source of violence. Today, Jews are attacked in the name of anti-racist discourse.”

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      3. As Enoch Powell said, all quotations are out of context. I cannot believe JSM was so foolish as to want to eradicate ‘the whole idea of nationality’ or believe it was possible. I suspect that you do. Despite your free market economics a lot of your childhood Leninism clings to you,

        Imagine how absolutely frightful a world without nations would be would be were it in some dystopia possible.

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      4. You’re only saying ”Let them in” because you no longer live there. What about the Brits who have never owned a passport let alone been abroad before. Don’t they have a say in who should be allowed onto their tiny little Island? And just supposing Craig that the UK said ”alright you lot, come on over if you want”. Where would you put the extra 50 million that has just tipped up? No doubt you would suggest to let them all doss down on Tooting Bec running track!

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      5. No longer live where? I am talking about Europe as a whole, and I certainly still live in Europe. I would actually do more than O’Neill suggests: I’d not only let in these people in, I’d ship the feckless wastrels currently laying around doing nothing all day the other way.

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      6. “I’d ship the feckless wastrels currently laying around doing nothing all day the other way.”……………….That is the best thing you have said in ages! Yeah, lets ship all the British child raping murdering scum MP’s along with that vile German Royal Queenie and her sick family and all the other satanist pop stars and actors and wotnot, yeah right on!

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      7. Another thing, speaking hypothetically of course. If every European went to live in Africa, and in return every African went to live anywhere in Europe. Then give it say, 10 years and the Africans will start coming back in large numbers after seeing what a success with have made of their former shit hole. But gawd knows what kind of mess Europe will be in after only a few short years run by that lot?

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      8. No need to go to so much effort. Just ship them over on to Portsmouth and Sheppey – well, those who aren’t already in Portsmouth and Sheppey – then cut them off.

        Surely in this day and age, there must be a way to set islands adrift.

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      1. Errr yeah? Are you one of those parents that takes little Billy down to the quacks every time he has got a little sniffle, and demanding all sorts of needles to be pumped into him? Even though you know nuffink about what’s in them syringes and what long term damage that they do to your body?

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      2. I’m intelligent enough to use viagra, but I don’t need too, I’m in my prime.

        Let’s hope the migrants have the UK in their sights, if only to annoy UKIP.

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      3. Sounds like you could do with some of that Viagra Roger; it works great at reducing high blood pressure, which judging by your recent meltdowns has became a chronic condition for you.
        I’d suggest getting your heart looked at too.

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      4. Where as I’ve never had a meltdown. Changing my name to Woger isn’t because I’ve let a complete stranger anger me, it’s simply because I’m in my prime, own 2 luxury cars and intelligent.

        I do know a lot about the effects of Viagra though, I’ve been forced by a stranger to research it, but he doesn’t bother me or affect my behaviour.

        I’m still struggling to research the meaning of irony though, can anyone help?

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      5. Lol maybe you forgot the time where you got exceptionally angry, cursed at me then said you will leave and never come back as long as I’m here. Of course you were trying to get sympathy, but noone gave a damn.
        That was priceless and one of your most entertaining outbursts.

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      6. Lol translates as I’m pretending the uneducated idiot doesn’t bother me, I mean why would I even reply to someone like him – why would I not realise he’s taking the piss and take it literally that he’s speaking as himself when he’s clearly speaking as me Lol 🙂

        On a lighter note my pet linx is scared of heights, so it’s for sale, only wealthy expats need apply.

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  2. In the US we have a constant debate regarding immigrants from Mexico and Central America. The thing that impresses me the most about our immigrants is that they proactively chose America. Some chose to come here at great risk and sacrifice. The rest of us were just born here.

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    1. I agree with Craig in that counties should have no border control whatsoever. People should be free to go where they want without control or restrictions.

      I’m hopeful the EU can one day become the WU (World Union) and we can be controlled by fine men such as Rumpuy, Schulz, Barroso or Guy Verhofstadt.

      A single currency and the abolishment of the Brits monarchy would suit me fine, you’ll find all us expats feel exactly the same.

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  3. This is the article that I took off my blog because it will be published in Takimag,

    A woman friend once told me that the secret of being a bitch is to tell the truth in the nastiest possible way. In Fleet St a succession of women journalists have been paid to be complete bitches, because male and especially female readers enjoy it. It’s probably a mildly sado-masochistic sex game. One female TV reviewer, but I forget who, had the by-line The Bitch on the Box. Julie Burchill was very good at it in the 1980s. Before her, for my mother’s generation, Linda Lee Potter in The Daily Mail and Jean Rook in the Express did the job. Jean Rook was the original of Private Eye’s Glenda Slagg.

    If they are right-wing it’s all the more fun. Left-wing and bitchy simply don’t go. In America it’s Ann Coulter and now in England someone called Katie Hopkins writes for the Sun.

    On Saturday she published an article in the Sun on why Italy and the EU should not accept boat people from Libya. It understandably caused a huge stir, which was its purpose. Even a contrarian like I could not forbear to raise an eyebrow. She certainly told the truth in the nastiest possible way.

    NO, I don’t care. Show me pictures of coffins, show me bodies floating in water, play violins and show me skinny people looking sad.
    I still don’t care…..

    Make no mistake, these migrants are like cockroaches. They might look a bit “Bob Geldof’s Ethiopia circa 1984”, but they are built to survive a nuclear bomb. They are survivors…..

    It’s time to get Australian. Bring on the gunships, force migrants back to their shores and burn the boats.

    It’s worth noting that she compared refugees to cockroaches in terms of how hard it is to get rid of them, rather than in respect of any other qualities that cockroaches have, and she wants gunboats to deter them not to shoot their boats down and drown them. She intended people to misunderstand her, however, and people wanted very much to misunderstand her and did so.

    So everyone was happy. Perhaps the narrow area of what is acceptable discourse about immigration has been broadened but that remains to be seen.

    Then 700 poor refugees were reported drowned when a boat they were travelling on sank.

    The admirable Ed West in the Spectator, who disapproved of Miss Hopkin’s ‘dehumanising’ remarks, makes the point that I should like to make. I could not put it better.
    There are just two policies that would stop people drowning: open borders, with assistance from EU navies, or automatically returning all illegal migrants to their homeland. (For example, no one drowns trying to reach Singapore, because there is no point – you just get sent back.)
    This is the point. The only point.

    Ed West aptly quotes an excellent recent piece in the Spectator by James Bartholomew about the purpose of hatred for the Daily Mail and Ukip.
    It’s noticeable how often virtue signalling consists of saying you hate things. It is camouflage. The emphasis on hate distracts from the fact you are really saying how good you are. If you were frank and said, ‘I care about the environment more than most people do’ or ‘I care about the poor more than others’, your vanity and self-aggrandisement would be obvious, as it is with Whole Foods. Anger and outrage disguise your boastfulness.’In fact only stopping taking refugees and sending gunboats to turn boats back will prevent further deaths.
    Hating Margaret Thatcher and the Sun performed a similar function in the 1980s, as older readers will recall.

    But let’s be very clear. Katie Hopkins, unlike her critics, is offering a proposal to save the refugees’ lives.

    Her solution is, of course, the right one. Regrettably, harsh though it may sound, the European Union has urgently to stop accepting refugees from outside Europe and resile from the the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees, in order to save refugees’ lives and in order to save Europe from what is in effect an invasion. A British admiral made this point back in 2006. This invasion of refugees is a far bigger threat than Russia. Leaving the UN Convention, which was agreed in an utterly different world, would do more good than renewing Trident.

    But are there any politicians brave enough to say this, except the far right? Winston Churchill would have agreed with every word of Katie Hopkins’s piece, but he would nowadays be beyond the pale.

    The solution is not necessarily to force the refugees back. We can pay African countries to take them. This is much cheaper than housing them in Europe. It is a principle widely accepted by organisations that take refugees that they are best given refuge in countries close to their own.

    We could subsidise Chad or Mali to take Libyans. I suspect that most refugees would prefer to stay in Libya.

    If we don’t do something like this, the time will come when people will be moving countries to seek asylum from asylum seekers.

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      1. Maybe the solution to the problem is not creating one in the first place? The UK alone has arms contracts in excess of 12 Billion pounds, with exports heading off to countries such as Syria, and Libya (infact the UK just pressured the EU to lift an embargo against exporting arms to Syria). These arms allow the political powers in these countries to continue fighting and displace innocent people who end up making their way to the EU…
        Can’t have our cake and at the same time eat it. Maybe it’s simply time to scale back our arms trade, stop interfering with the political states of countries who do not share our systems of government, and let things play out instead.

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      2. The solution is to kill illegal immigrants and impose a triple income tax on the legal ones. If we do that it’s game over.

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      3. Poor old Woger I mean Roger or do I mean Anon doesn’t know whether he’s coming or going and sounds a bit stressed LOL.

        UKIP are my enemy and make me very, very angry !!!

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      4. ^^^

        FYI the above comment is from a very wealthy and angry expat who hates Brits bizarrely. He’s not sure of his own identity but he sure is in his prime lol.

        Roger rogering Woger 🙂

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    1. That’s not a directive though and I can’t find anywhere that the EU isn’t doing its level best for these migrants. As Craig quite rightly says we should open the door and let everyone who wants to come in.

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      1. Poor little Roger…so sad.

        Asylum laws need reforming, and funding needs to be in place so applicants can be processed and in some cases returned as necessary, in a speedy manner.

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      2. Ce pula mea! Who the fuck is Woger, and who the fuck is the other Woger??? Can you two please go back to your original names? If not, I’m gonna start posting flat Earth videos here like this one for example.

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      3. Don’t know what you’re dribbling on about Roger, I’ve never supported open intra-EU migration, only inter-EU migration. I know you have trouble with reading, spelling and comprehension, but at least try to make an effort.

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      4. You know you two are ruining this forum, right? Can’t we just put you in a boxing ring to work it out? Or a hotel room perhaps?

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      5. At least I’m trying to make contributions towards the topics of the articles Craig writes, Roger is simply writing the same old crap over and over because words made him angry.

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      6. Having said all of my angry rant about Roger, until I allowed him to make me angry and upset, he’d done nothing but contribute to many articles as all the proof is there going back a couple of years – but if I stamp my feet and get angry enough, people will believe me and not Woger, I mean Roger!!!

        I might change back to Anon or anon soon, as my childish attempts to become Woger have backfired somewhat, even a few people are taking the piss out of me now and I don’t even know who’s Roger or Woger and it’s driving me insane!

        Geronimo you should really blame Roger and not me though, he’s picking on me and it’s not fair. I’m so angry I am even considering changing my name to linx.

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    1. The comments are beyond appalling and make me fear for humanity. Of course, to be expected given that it’s Taki’s rag. You do know that the man is convicted cocaine smuggler who did three months in Pentonville? Lovely company you keep.

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      1. Yes everyone knows that – cocaine user I think, rather than smuggler. I have known quite a few people who used cocaine. How judgmental you are about some sins and not others. I don’t know him though have read him since my schooldays.

        Personally the comments on the Spectator restore my faith in human nature, Telegraph to some extent ditto, Guardian ones make me rejoice I live here but haven’t read these ones.

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      2. @Paul That’s how we roll round here mofo. We judge particularly on spelling and grammar and take wild guesses as to your education and intellect.

        I’m a wealthy expat with 2 luxury cars including a V8 Benz and own a pet linx, so I couldn’t give a dancing monkey about Brits and their cries of overcrowding and strains on services as I’ve seen no proof whatsoever of this.

        To be honest you Brits should be taking in more immigrants and migrants alike, you’ll have the fantastic support of EU powerhouses like Greece and Spain, so don’t really know what your problem is?

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